Sorry, but I hate it when people attack the arguer instead of the argument. I love Bruce Eckel's books and highly respect his opinion. Although I disagree with his characterization of Ruby. Attack his opinion all you want, but I see no need to attack the man. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Szymon Drejewicz [mailto:Szymon.Drejewicz / gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:58 AM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: Re: Bruce Eckel and Ruby Bruce Eckel is just goodselling-books-maker rather than guru for coders.