Hi mental, > Well, let's assume we've got persistence. What would you expect > each of the following to do? [...] ok, rethinking and withdrawing my answer.... Your examples are pretty good. I think I come to the conclusion that it is pretty hard to find a way to manipulate the counter in a for-loop. This would still allow something like 'skip next n elements', since we are walking along a sequence. Thanks for these good examples, Patrick