Hi Kevin, [for i in ..... end ] > No, you can manipulate the counter just fine, just that it won't persist for > the next iteration of the count. This is because ruby is providing the i for > you, but not actually checking it to know where it is, or when it's done, > unlike similarly worded constructs in C etc. That (last part of the sentence) is exactly what confused me. Nobody else thinks that this persistance would be useful? Patrick