On 10/28/05, David A. Black wrote: > > I'd like to sound a note of caution about this. I think it has the > potential to disserve Ruby's interests, by moving the language away > from the thing that has been proven to be so attractive. I agree strongly with this, and the rest of David's comments. In fact I'll go so far as to take the probably unpopular stance that most of these "syntax discussions" are a big waste of time. Seriously, they are like giant distributed committee meetings that spend days talking and arguing and yelling to produce nothing valuable at the end. The "named arguments" and "block syntax" related threads were just ridiculous. There have been many others over the years. Now matz and the other old-timers have never been ones to censure or otherwise impede discussion on this mailing list, and I certainly wouldn't do that either. But consider all the time people spend writing kilobytes of text on this mailing list in fairly frivolous discussions, and add to that all the time it takes other people to read those kilobytes. Now what if that time were spent doing something else? Like, say, coding new Ruby libraries! Or, even more crazy, helping on YARV! See, I'm a pragmatist (after all, it was "The Pragmatic Programmer" that eventually brought me into the Ruby fray back in 2001.) I think actions speak louder than words, and that the most useful discussions on this mailing list involve someone posing a problem, and others solving it in interesting and elegant ways. So I don't see much value in these syntax discussion threads which stretch into 100s of messages, especially when in the end, nothing really valuable comes from them. Well, I'm probably being a little harsh here...I imagine matz considers some of the ideas people make and maybe those are things he hasn't thought of. But overall I think a lot of time is wasted. So, anyhow, before you decide that this really cool new syntax should be put into Ruby, or before you decide to add your ever so important opinion into these infinite threads, stop. Before posting, consider how else your time could be spent. Just something to thing about... Regards, Ryan