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Kurt,

First of all, if I happen to see your CSV, I'll vote yes.

However, I would still like to know, why couldn't you make Drainpipe a Ruby
module (or a network of Ruby modules)?

Ruby/Drainpipe would allow you to leverage the existing Ruby infrastructure.

The problem with most beginner-friendly languages is that they are not
expert-friendly productivity-wise for advanced applications, and the problem
with most expert-friendly languages is that they are not beginner-friendly.
In contrast, I think that Ruby is very good in both respects, with one big
(but temporary) exception--the lack of a good introductory book in English,
but this will soon change.

With Ruby, you and your users could get a much larger ROI for your efforts,
and you could obtain a substantially useful system much more quickly.

Introductory article
http://www-4.ibm.com/software/developer/library/ruby.html
Home page: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
FAQ: http://www.pragprog.com:8080/rubyfaq/

Conrad




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> From: Kurt Weber <kurt / row180.zzn.com>
> Subject: RFD: comp.lang.drainpipe
> Newsgroups:
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> ,comp.lang.basic.misc,news.announce,news.announce.newsgroups
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>                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>                      unmoderated group comp.lang.drainpipe
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.lang.drainpipe.  This is not
a
> Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural
> details are below.
>
> Newsgroup line:
> comp.lang.drainpipe Forum for discussion of the Drainpipe programming
> language.
>
> RATIONALE: comp.lang.drainpipe
>
> I am currently in the process of developing a new computer programming
> language for DOS/UNIX/Linux called Drainpipe.  This language is a
> combination of C, Pascal, Perl, and Basic.  It is intended to provide a
> beginner-oriented language specifically for communications and networking.
> This newsgroup would provide a way for Drainpipe programmers to share
> programming tips as well as an outlet for the frustrations inherent in
> programming.
>
> Although the Drainpipe Project is still in the development stage, the
> newsgroup would still have a purpose as a public means of exchanging
> information about the project.  The various designers of the Drainpipe
> language itself as well as the designers of the IDE and
interpreter/compiler
> need a means of communications, and a newsgroup will provide a public
means
> of communication so as to allow those who wish to assist in the Drainpipe
> Project to catch up on what has happened in the recent past.
>
> I have received emails and ICQ messages from literally hundreds of
> programmers, amateur and professional alike, who have expressed interest
in
> the Drainpipe Project, either as a developer or as an end-user.  I have
> asked the vast majority of them whether or not they would participate in a
> Drainpipe newsgroup if one was created, and over 98% replied in the
> affirmative.
>
> CHARTER: group.name
>
> This newsgroup will provide a public forum for the discussion of the
> Drainpipe programming language.  As such, the posts should center around
> Drainpipe.  Since Drainpipe is primarily a communications programming
> language, questions about communications protocols are welcome as well.
> Posts regarding other programming languages are welcome provided that they
> involve Drainpipe in some way, such as porting between languages or
> tutorials in which references to other, more popular languages are made.
> Flames, binaries, and advertisements are NOT welcome, nor are arguments
made
> for the sake of arguing.
>
> END CHARTER.