On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Jeff Wood wrote: > oops, that should have been > > attr_accessor :a > > ( which is again a method call against self which because it's inside > of a class definition *IS* the class object that's being > built/modified ) I'm not sure what you are trying to show here. You build accessor methods but you never call them, as you just set the instance variable directly. James Edward Gray II