Hi, Ryan Platte and I just did a presentation to the Chicago ACM about Ruby this evening. Our slides are available for others to use here: http://johnwlong.com/slides/gettothepoint/ Comments and suggestions are welcome. We would like to present this again in the future, so it would be good to clarify things a little. Please note: slides are best if viewed in Firefox or Safari. -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com