Hello Charles, CP> As far as programming goes, most people don't spend that much time in CP> Windows. I'm sorry if that upsets you. CP> Charles I don't agree with many arguments from Austin and also not with his writing style but in this point he is correct. From all the statistics i see (including my own weblogs) i would doubt if more then 15% of all ruby users use linux for development, 5% maybe MacOSX but the majority of 80% is still using windows. And having an iMac G5, and two a good powerful Intel System here (Linux/WinXP) in my office, i easily understand why they do. And by the way, i don't think that this newsgroup is very representative for the ruby community. -- Best regards, emailto: scholz at scriptolutions dot com Lothar Scholz http://www.ruby-ide.com CTO Scriptolutions Ruby, PHP, Python IDE 's