Daniel Amelang wrote: -snip- > I highly recommend reading through the arguments and counter arguments > before we do a complete reproduction here. Thank you Daniel, you might notice my name in those discussions. As you've mentioned, other folk on ruby-talk presented counter-arguments to Austin's claims - afaict those counter-arguments were never rebutted. -snip- > I'm just trying to save us (and > you) from more of the same-old-same-old discussions. If there's any substance behind the name-calling we should be able to point-out specific errors on the shootout. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/fulldata.php?test=takfp&p1=ruby-0&p2=php-0&p3=psyco-0&p4=lua-0&sort=fullcpu