> It's interesting that the OP here is cynical about "marketing" efforts
> from DHH, but not from Sun and Microsoft, i.e. Java, C# and all tools
> built around them.

Assuming I'm the OP, I just don't see how that belongs on this list. 
This is a Ruby list, where I discuss Ruby issues.  I'm not on any Java
or C# lists, because I don't care about those "technologies."  They
aren't interesting to me, and I don't use them.  I have a personal
distaste for Java, mostly due to the fact that it feels to me like a
neutered version of C++ (which I like), but my Java opinion has no
place on this list.

I would definitely like to see some comparisons where Rails is
compared to the big industry strength tools out there, and I'd really
like to see something where most of the features of both (or all)
toolkits are mentioned, even when the features are unique and not
matched.  It's good to be able to see holes in a toolkit when deciding
what to use.