> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Heinemeier Hansson [mailto:david.heinemeier / gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:44 AM
> To: ruby-talk ML
> Subject: Re: Ruby momentum?
> 
> 
> > I'd have to say that all the "RoR 10x faster than Java" 
> articles are 
> > really giving rails a bit of a bad name.  Around here, RoR 
> is somewhat 
> > of a joke, just because of all these claims of whiter teeth, bigger 
> > smiles, cleaner floors, etc, that Rails will bring.  It 
> just makes the 
> > whole framework seem like an enourmous marketing effort, 
> which to many 
> > technical people indicates a lack of quality.  I'm sure that if we 
> > gave Rails a try here, it would be quickly accepted, but breaking 
> > through the cynicism is really hard when a product is being 
> so heavily 
> > hyped.
> 
> There's no doubt that breaking through the awareness barrier 
> leaves a residue of backlash with some. I wrote about this 
> subject and some of the ecosystem numbers at 
> http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000484.html
> -- 
> David Heinemeier Hansson

It's interesting that the OP here is cynical about "marketing" efforts
from DHH, but not from Sun and Microsoft, i.e. Java, C# and all tools
built around them.

Regards,

Dan