> I'd have to say that all the "RoR 10x faster than Java" articles are > really giving rails a bit of a bad name. Around here, RoR is somewhat > of a joke, just because of all these claims of whiter teeth, bigger > smiles, cleaner floors, etc, that Rails will bring. It just makes the > whole framework seem like an enourmous marketing effort, which to many > technical people indicates a lack of quality. I'm sure that if we > gave Rails a try here, it would be quickly accepted, but breaking > through the cynicism is really hard when a product is being so heavily > hyped. There's no doubt that breaking through the awareness barrier leaves a residue of backlash with some. I wrote about this subject and some of the ecosystem numbers at http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000484.html -- David Heinemeier Hansson http://www.loudthinking.com -- Broadcasting Brain http://www.basecamphq.com -- Online project management http://www.backpackit.com -- Personal information manager http://www.rubyonrails.com -- Web-application framework