> After 4 years, Ruby still hasn't ruined itself. after working with it for a few months i'm starting to see some holes. there doesn't seem to be a 'standard' gui that's fully implemented for ruby. the gui's that AREA available need work. and for newbies they aren't easy to work with at all. in tcl/tk you can use this to create a button button .b -text "quit" -command {exit} pack .b i'd really like something like this for ruby (off the top of my head): class quit_button < button def initalize button_text("quit") self.show placeongrid() # you get the idea end def button_text(t) quit_text=t end def click app.cleanup end end even with my limited knowledge/experience of ruby this is straight forward to me -- http://home.cogeco.ca/~tsummerfelt1 telnet://ventedspleen.dyndns.org