Having asked the question, and heard many replies let me summarise... On Fri, 6 May 2005, John Carter wrote: > Imagine a flock of ducks in the sky. Listen. > Now remove the ducks. Listen. > > What is the sound of no duck quacking? > > What should nil respond_to? Well, it turned out that there are several sorts of unduck making several different unsounds. There is the uninitialized unduck, which, when you ask it to quack says, "You Nana! It was _your_ job to put a duck here and you DID NOT, and now you asking it to Quack! Twit!" Then there is the not applicable duck, which when you ask it to quack says, "Sorry, it is just not appropriate nor ever will be appropriate to have a duck in _this_ particular instance. Don't even try put a duck in here, let alone ask it to quack." Then there is the no duck, which when asked to quack (or anything else for that matter) does nothing, and after having done nothing, leaves you with nothing. Which was the only sort of nil I had in my rather limited mind when I asked the question. John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Tait Electronics Fax : (64)(3) 359 4632 PO Box 1645 Christchurch Email : john.carter / tait.co.nz New Zealand We all live but seconds away from pain and death, yet we live as though it wasn't even possible. We are but one person amongst 6 billion, yet we live as though we, personally, matter. So, as you were saying... how real did you want me to get?