On 4/29/05, Ruben <Ruben.Vandeginste / cs.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
> 
> At Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:44:54 +0900, tony summerfelt wrote:
> >
> > everytime the vim  vs emacs thread comes up i like to make these two
> > points:
> >
> > >> C-X2-C-Xo m-x shell
> >
> > and that's ALL you have to do to get a command line in emacs :)
> 
> Actually, if you just do M-x eshell, you already have a shell. The
> other commands are just for splitting your window into 2 frames and
> switching focus to the frame where you'll start the shell.
> 
> > ok, but this is scarier:
> [snip]
> 
> What's so scary about lisp code?  Wanna show me some vim-script?
> 
> > one advantage is that vim has is that you can extend your editor using
> > the  (or all for that matter) scripting language of your choice,
> > vimscript, tcl, perl, ruby, python. to extend emacs you use something
> > like have the lisp code above.
> 
> This is indeed great, the downside however is that on some
> distributions, probably not all those languages will be enabled by
> default (allthough i'm not sure about that), so that in the end
> vimscript is the only way to be sure that your extensions will run
> everywhere. There is no such problem with emacs-lisp-code. (unless you
> want it to run on both GNU Emacs and Xemacs)
> 
> > another advantage is that if you're a touch-typist, vim is very
> > efficient at editing code. i think it's very handy that to delete 5
> > lines of text you can type: 5dd or do it the long way: Vjjjjjd
> >
> > compared to emacs: C-spacebar, cursor to your target, C-w
> >
> > the first key combo assumes your terminal will support it otherwise
> > you're stuck with:  M-x set-mark-command
> 
> Right, right.... but an experienced emacs user would probably just do
> C-5 C-k. Which is for me faster than first switching mode in vim
> (Esc), then do the 5dd, then switching back to insert mode (i).
> 
> What is the point of this "emacs is better" or "vim is better" ?
> 
> I use Emacs most of the time, but I regularly use vi(m) for editing
> config files.  I think the most important thing is that *you* can work
> efficiently with the tools *you* use, whether your editor is Emacs,
> Vi(m), a full-blown IDE...
> 

I try to keep an open mind about trying new things all the time.  But
I tried to use Emacs for two days and my wrists and hands hurt SOOO
bad that I had to go back to vim.

Do you have to bind the ctrl key to the caps lock key in order to use
Emacs over a long period of time?