I've known Phil for a long time, but kind of missed his foray into Ruby until just now. http://www.whirlycott.com/phil/2005/04/13/ruby-first-impressions I think it's a good first step, certainly not a bad write up. -- thanks, -pate ------------------------- We are often unable to tell people what they need to know, because they want to know something else, and would therefore only misunderstand what we said - the Raven (George MacDonald, Lilith)