Jim Freeze <jim freeze.org> wrote: > I've seen others make this same comment. I find it interesting > that at RubyConf 2001 (the first Ruby conference) I heard multiple > times that Ruby was not ready for web development. Yep, I remember that. It is pretty amazing that a web framework could all of a sudden make Ruby so much more marketable. The irony about myself is that it took hearing about Rails from a coworker (and we don't even do web development professionally) to bring me back into the Ruby fray. Not that I'd abandoned what is still my favorite language, I just found it hard to keep up when I have to do Java at work. > I know rails is new, but I'm not sure that the language has made > any significant changes to justify such an about face in opinion. I think I'd have a pretty good perspective on that since I was around in the RubyConf 2001 days and have been pretty much out of the Ruby community until now. I agree, not too much has changed in the language (though I love Enumerable#inject.) Even the list of libraries isn't that different. Though I'm certainly aware of the additions that made RubyGems Part Deux easier to implement than when I made the first RubyGems (of course I never really got past prototype stage.) > However, I think it is a lesson in how people can take > their own opinion (or a common opinion) and believe in it as fact. > > Rails has opened the eyes of to many to what they could not see. > David and his RubyOnRails is to Ruby what Michaelangelo and > Michaelangelo's David are to a large of stone. While the metaphor is colorful and amusing, I don't think I'd even go so far as to say that. David is no doubt a smart guy and Rails is a cool system (from what I've seen, I'm still a Rails newbie), but I think the success of Rails has more to do with its simplicity and utility than any inherent "artistry." David had a problem (implementing BaseCamp using Ruby), and he just solved his own problem by creating Rails. I think too many people create solutions that are looking for a problem instead of solving real problems. > The only difference is that Ruby has more value than a large rock. :) > > It is also clear that some people just see the statue. > But me, I see the process. I am waiting to see what gets > created when another Michaelangelo comes along and finds Ruby. I think Rails is just the tip of the iceberg. There are too many brilliant people involved with Ruby for it not to have a bright future. The problem maybe that too many of those people are "too close" to the language to create the next Rails, so I agree we may need new blood to move forward. Or more of the old hats need to learn how to step back and see Ruby from a fresh light. Ryan Leavengood __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide