Check out <URL: http://forums.itworld.com/webx?230 / 52.uZ34aLdAgrt^0@.ee6f2d1 >. This conversation with Bertrand Meyer is already touching on several issues that are pertinent to Ruby style and development, including identification of code and data, what I believe is a misapprehension about XP, and, of course, DbC. -- Cameron Laird <claird / NeoSoft.com> Business: http://www.Phaseit.net Personal: http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/home.html