Tom, > Is anyone else struggling with Ruby on Debian unstable (or as I like > to call it, Red Hat Stable :))? As per RubyGems, I think you are misuderstanding some usage. I have active_record install ONLY via gems: % ruby -e "require 'active_record'; puts true" -e:1:in `require': No such file to load -- active_record (LoadError) from -e:1 BUT: % ruby -r rubygems -e "require 'active_record'; puts true" true Basically, just put a "require 'rubygems'" in your code. There are other ways to handle this. See the rubygem docs http://docs.rubygems.org/read/chapter/3#page70 > It seems to me that Debians Package > management is fighting with Gems, but I don't know enough about Ruby > to know for sure, or what the correct way of doing things is. I wouldn't use both apt-get and rubygems to install the same packages. It's easy to not use the rubygem ones by skipping the rubygems require, but I'm not sure how well the debian ruby libs are packaged. There has been some .. controversy .. about this. Cameron