more info at: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6599 (includes a link to the home page (in Japanese) and a google translation of it) The odd think is that I didn't see anything about Ruby. :( -- thanks, -pate ------------------------- ParseTree is a little brown stinky ferret that digs down a hole and violently rips the AST away from the warm bosom of ruby. In other words, we cheat, they don't.