Ilias Lazaridis <ilias / lazaridis.com> wrote: > > Simply stated: > > how can I create objects. > how can I make them persistent. > how can I create a generic GUI > how can I create a generic Web GUI > how can I update the object model > ... If what you're looking for is a full stack web framework, check Rails out - it does a really good job of designing the various parts to interact well with each other from the outset. It let me throw together a trivial CRUD app in a week, two days of which were spent on Apche issues. I've not used Nitro or Wee, but I've heard good things about both of those too. Non-web GUIs - http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?ComparingGuiToolkits As for objects, it's nigh impossible to use Ruby *without* creating them :) Surfing the Rubygarden wiki and the newsgroup archives should garner you a lot more. martin