After years of reading people on c.l.python interject comments about Ruby, I finally decided to see what it was all about, so I bought a copy of Programming Ruby this afternoon. And what do I read in the preface? "...we're using it to format large parts of this book". Well, gee, 20-odd years ago, when I first started reading about C, K&R were proud of the fact that they used their new language to write some tools to format their books! Some things never change, I guess :-)