In message <41EEBA81.6080907 / infofiend.com>, Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk / infofiend.com> writes >I don't know how you can quantify its value, but I'd say it definitely >has some. Sure, ruby-lang.org is the first hit when you search for >Ruby using Google, but given that Python's official site is python.org, >and perl's is perl.[com|org], I'm not sure if people would realize that >ruby-lang.org is Ruby's official site. My experience when I wanted to find the Ruby home page was to try www.ruby.org and www.ruby.com. When that didn't work I went to google and was a bit surprised at the strange name that I found - ruby-lang.org I then did some digging around ruby-lang.org and some other sites before concluding that ruby-lang.org was the correct site, rather than a site claiming to be the correct site when it wasn't. Given the domain name I did wonder. You don't have to make any effort to remember www.NAME.org or www.NAME.com but ruby-lang, well you have to file that away as something to remember, the -lang is not obvious, at all. Does this have much to do with language adoption? I don't think so. Ruby will stand or fall on its own merits. Dr Dobbs had an article on Ruby this month in their web services section. Thats a step in the right direction - although the 'D' language had a mention years ago and look how well that has been adopted :-) Does it have much to do with making info easy to find? Absolutely. In case you think the reason I was confused about ruby-lang.org is because I'm new to software/internet etc. I'm not, I've been writing software since 1981, starting with 6502 assembler on a VIC-20. I was confused because the domain name is not obvious/what you expect. Stephen -- Stephen Kellett Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk RSI Information: http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi.html