bin liu wrote:

>I think one GUI system dos not depends others except ruby will bee more flexible.
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>>  Complete sense. What we need is an interface to make use of many toolkits
>>Ex. Swing. I've been using WideStudio, but the main complaint is from MacOS
>>users(it needs X11, and its not "pretty" like Cocoa). The main problem with
>>these toolkits like wxWidgets(aka wxWindows, changed because M.S. forced
>>them to change the name) are 1) lack of features, and 2) glitches between
>>operating systems.
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>>What you say is not really an issue at all. On unicies you are required to
>>downloaded needed runtime libraries. This also includes MacOSX. Simply
>>download and install the needed libraries. If they are too difficult get a
>>computer specialist to install them for you. Libraries are the main 
>>issue, if
>>they are not in the system, it can be problematic to the non-tech savy user.
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>>David Ross
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Sure. This type of framework would be more flexible, but what about
the people who use different languages? I definiately don't want to
embed/use a ruby based gui frame work. Eclipse is an abomination
to any work for me. This type of framework you describe can be
real bothersome to people. There is no way to tackle the issue of GUIs
because everybody has thier own choice. (ex. BSD vs. Linux) I could argue
all day about the annoyances in each and every GUI toolkit out there,
even WideStudio. The GUI toolkit choice is up to the user, if the develoer
has a disagreement with design in the code... send patches. There is no
thing as a perfect toolkit.

David Ross

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