Couldn't help sending a big 'thank you' to DHH for Rails. I finally threw away CVS ruby so I could try it on 1.8, and it's stupidly easy to use. I finally get a chance to get to grips with MVC without all that taglib nonsense filling up slots in my head.... Good work, fella. -- You may need to metaphorically make a deal with the devil. By 'devil' I mean robot devil and by 'metaphorically' I mean get your coat. - Bender Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns