Things may have changed....but some information I found. http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/1999/06/think_01.html Zach Austin Ziegler wrote: >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:00:56 +0900, Zach Dennis <zdennis / mktec.com> >wrote: > > >>Ok here is a quick 2 cents while I have quick 5 minute break at >>work... >> >>1. I do not like Kerry because I do not believe things like >>Healthcare should be government backed, provided, etc... >> >> > >.... whereas I believe that healthcare should be out of the hands of >those interested in high profit margins. Note that the US has a >situation worse than Canada, because of HMOs, who are more stingy >than the Canadian government. > > > >>The more control the government has over things the less choice >>each individual american gets. Also if the government plans to >>help with healthcare, and they are going to make sure everyone is >>and can be covered by the government provided healthcase that >>wants to be then where is the money coming from? >> >> > >Group purchasing drives costs down. Way down. > > > >>Healthcare isn't cheap, and I'm not a big fan of running >>government provided healthcare like Canada where the income tax is >>some absurd number at or above 50%. >> >> > >Zach, speaking as a dual-US and Canadian citizen, your numbers are >bunk. My annual income tax hovers somewhere around 30% of my total >income. For this, I have a much calmer and more stable society, high >quality healthcare, excellent schools (that pay their teachers >living wages), and many other benefits. When I lived in the US, when >I calculated state, federal, and local income taxes together, I was >paying about 26%, IIRC. On top of that, I had a $15 co-pay to see a >doctor on EVERY VISIT (no co-pay here in Canada), and I felt less >safe -- and teachers were paid absolute crap. > >I had one year here in Canada where I made a LOT of money and paid a >lot of money in taxes, but the total income tax rate was under 35%. > >Yes, there's two sales taxes in my province, totaling 15%. Some >places in the US have 11.5% or higher sales taxes, and I've >encountered precious few places that don't have some level of sales >tax (usually 5 - 7%). But in no way does the total tax rate match >your absurd 50% figure. For anyone in Canada. Not since the >timeframe where the US had insanely high tax rates, too. > >So, now that we've debunked the tax numbers, let's tackle your >misconceptions about the cost of healthcare. The US spent 14.9% GDP >on healthcare in 2002. In the same period, Canada spent 10.7% GDP. >This includes any trips that were *required* outside of Canada and >were covered by provincial medical plans (necessary operations >outside of Canada because of specialist availability are covered by >provincial medical plans). This may not include the small percentage >of "queue jumpers", people who paid extra to travel to the US and >pay outrageous fees for examinations or operations themselves. > >The US's healthcare costs are HIGHER than those in Canada. >Whodathunkit? > >I really hate it when people say they are against things, but don't >actually bother to do the research that would show that their >preconceptions and assumptions are not only wrong, but dead wrong. > >If you want to discuss this off-list, feel free to email me. If you >haven't voted yet, you should change your mind and vote for him -- >because he *hasn't* lied to you. Yet. Bush has. Repeatedly. > >-austin > >