I based my supposition on the fact that a developer on the carbon-dev mailing list who appeared to be from Apple said he was running on the Tiger beta release and when I gave him a script that used Ruby/DL it croaked on the require 'dl' line. After upgrading to Ruby 1.8.1 it was fixed. So I assumed that Tiger was shipping with an old version. I admit this is not a bulletproof supposition. On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:59:35 +0900, Gavin Kistner <gavin.kistner / refinery.com> wrote: > Actually, I think the first question is: > > Who do we talk to to first ensure that the information starting this panic is correct? > > No offense to the OP, but the original information seems quite unsubstantiated. I had previously heard (from unreliable sources) that Tiger *did* include 1.8