Re: rails vs Java Struts

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It can be done. But it won't be easy in such a short time frame.

If I may make a suggestion, you might be better off using Zope. I might get 
flamed for saying that here. But truth be told Zope is pretty good sh*t for 
these types of apps, and with a bit of effort you could have a working 
version in short order, a couple of weeks even. And it's great for 
collaboration. Even your lazy friend might help ;)

Which reminds me, David have you considered merging Rails and Instiki into one 
entity to make a Zope killer? Get the Rope! It's hanging time ;)

T.


On Saturday 09 October 2004 08:04 pm, Felipe Malta de Oliveira wrote:
| On an a little off the topic, I am trying to compose a web application with
| Java Struts, for my graduation project.Problem is time is running out, and
| I keep getting bogged down with the little details and excessive clutter of
| hibernate and it's xmls, struts and it's xmls, tiles and it's xmls,
| validator and it's xmls...This not to mention the wealth of properties
| files too...This is hindering me to no end...
|
| I would really like to do the whole thing in Rails, or another Ruby web
| framework if rails does not cover my needs.
|
| The motives for that are:
|
| - Learn Ruby, as I am a nuby and would like to get more profficient in it,
| even if here in Brazil people don't even heard of it (most people).
| - Simplify the development of my application and accelerate it, as time is
| running out...Only 1 month and a half left to deadline.
| - Promote Ruby :-)
| - Get away from Java.I have enough of it at my daily job.Not that I like
| it.
|
| Now a little about my application:
|
| It's something like an online auction, but on a much lower scale, and the
| other way around.People don't put their products for sale and wait for
| potential buyers to bid.Instead, only companies are allowed to register on
| the system.Then they schedule a session, and this information is used to
| generate e-mails inviting potential suppliers for the product they need to
| buy.When the suppliers receive these e-mails, they are informed about the
| session and the product and the e-mail also contain a link to a page where
| they can confirm their participation.
|
| If there are enough suppliers, then at the time of the session the
| suppliers and the contractor log in the system and have a real time auction
| session where they take turns bidding, until the number of turns previously
| registered by the contractor ends.At the end the one with the lowest price
| for the product wins the contract of providing the company with the
| product.Simple reports of session statistics are sent to the suppliers and
| a more complete report is sent to the company.
|
| That's about it.The features I am interested in a framework are:
|
| - Validation of html forms
| - Authentication
| - Some kind of template mechanism, for sending the e-mails and the reports
| - Some kind of clock mechanism, like Quartz for Java, to deal with the
| starting and ending time of the session.
|
| Is it possible to learn Ruby and do it all, alone and single-handed, in
| just one month and 15 days? I have 1 to 2 hours per day to spend on this
| from monday to friday and the whole saturday and sunday until the succesful
| completion (or failure) of the project.
|
| Another obstacle is that even tough the team has 3 components, only myself
| knows and likes programming.The other is taking care of layout and html
| issues and the other is doing nothing. :-)
| If I come to then and tell then we dropped Java I think I will get quite a
| reaction, but that is expected.
|
| I hope I made clear my questions and intetions and will be imensely
| thankful for any advice the kind people of this list can give me.
|
| Felipe
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Charles Hixson" <charleshixsn / earthlink.net>
| To: "ruby-talk ML" <ruby-talk / ruby-lang.org>
| Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:58 PM
| Subject: Re: rails vs Java Struts
|
| > Stefan Schmiedl wrote:
| > >On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:16:22 +0900,
| > >
| > >Charles Hixson <charleshixsn / earthlink.net> wrote:
| > >>Martin DeMello wrote:
| > >>>http://www.suneido.com/ is interesting too.
| > >>>martin
| > >>
| > >>ery interesting, but MSWind only.  So to me it's useless (I can't even
| > >>test it).
| > >
| > >Watch 'em. They're porting the server part to Linux. The switch from
| > >MSVC to gcc is already done, IIRC.
| > >s.
| >
| > But they say the client end will take much work.  (They did indicate
| > that moving the server part would be easy.)  To me this indicates that I
| > shouldn't expect much until, at best, this time next year.   I can't
| > wait for that, even though the concept looks quite good.

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