On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Kevin Smith wrote: > >> So they are doing the same thing, but you call to_str > >> when you want to make an implicit assertion that what you > >> have is something you should be doing string operations > >> with, and not just something that (like everything) can > >> be described in text. > > I just got back from vacation, and wanted to make > sure I "got" the conclusion of this thread. To > put it in my own words: > > to_str converts an object into a string > representation of that object, which is assumed > to be usable as a value for further processing. > > to_s converts an object into a string description > of that object, such as for printing. > > In some cases (String, Numeric) they are the > same. But for a complex object that contains many > values there would often be no way for to_str to > return anything meaningful. to_s, on the other > hand could do a dump like inspect does, or could > just return the semantic "name" or "id" of the > object. > > Right? Not quite, I think. In general, to_str isn't defined. You have to define it. Here's another pass through it: Forget to_s for the moment. Certain methods, such as String#<<, expect all of their arguments to be strings. Such methods use the following heuristic to determine whether the arguments actually are strings: Is this object of type String? Yes => OK, concatenate it No => Does the object implement to_str? Yes => OK, concatenate the return value of its to_str method No => Can't handle it, raise exception If you don't actually *write* the to_str methods, then non-String objects (except Exceptions, which also have a pre-defined to_str) will not have them, and methods like String#<< will not be able to handle those objects. Now, back to to_s. Every object has a to_s method. You can, if you wish, piggyback on to_s to write your to_str for a given class: def to_str to_s end (or alias it, or whatever) But note that there's no connection other than the connection you create. You could just as easily write: def to_str "I am the chosen string representation of this object" end Essentially, to_str exists, together with methods which look for it, for the purpose of allowing objects, in certain circumstances, to masquerade as Strings even if they are not Strings. David -- David Alan Black home: dblack / candle.superlink.net work: blackdav / shu.edu Web: http://pirate.shu.edu/~blackdav