... and that was *intended* to be off-list. I still need to learn how
to use Yahoo mail properly. Sorry for the semi-spam, folks.

-- Brian Wisti

--- Brian Wisti <brianwisti / yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Alexey,
> 
> I'm glad to learn that you've decided to go for it. I'd like to
> volunteer to be one of the folks answering questions - especially
> since
> I may be asking a few myself ;-) Where and how should I sign up?
> 
> -- Brian Wisti
> 
> http://coolnamehere.com/
> 
> --- Alexey Verkhovsky <alex / verk.info> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > Results of our little opinion poll so far:
> > 
> > 9 people are for, 
> > 5 are against, 
> > 2 are for only if the gateway feature is implemented (i.e.,
> filtering
> > the traffic from the forum to ruby-talk and back)
> > 
> > As I understand, the main reason why people vote against it is that
> > community is friendly enough to nubies as is and not big enough to
> > justify splitting. And I agree with both of these statements.
> > 
> > However, splitting the community is NOT the purpose. The purpose is
> > to
> > lower the entry barrier for uncommitted beginners (subscribing to a
> > mail-list with 100 mails/day traffic is commitment). As people
> become
> > more committed to Ruby, we will try to convince them to join
> > ruby-talk.
> > 
> > [To David Black: "uncommitted beginners" may well include
> > "script-kiddies". They grow up, too.]
> > 
> > Since enough people seem to support the idea, we are going ahead
> with
> > it. By the way, gentlemen, I hope all of you who said "go for it"
> > will
> > help answer stupid questions on the forum :)
> > 
> > I think, it is important to address the concerns of those who voted
> 
> > against the forum. At present, I have only a couple of ideas, maybe
> > somebody will have more:
> > 
> > 1. Somewhere on a visible place there will be a statement along the
> > lines of "Ruby-talk mailing list is the best place to discuss Ruby
> > programming. Subscribe to ruby-talk today".
> > 
> > 2. When someone creates a new thread on ruby-forum, we will
> > automatically mail notification to ruby-lang. 
> > 
> > I am not very comfortable with the thought of building a two-way
> > communication with ruby-talk. To be more precise, I am not
> confident
> > in
> > our ability to implement it well. Bugs in such a thing would be
> > HUGELY
> > embarassing :)
> > 
> > So far, I haven't found a decent forum implementation in Ruby (a
> > couple
> > of simple BBSes are available on RubyForge, but nothing really
> > full-featured). Therefore, we will probably host it on phpGroup for
> > now
> > (like this Ruby forum in Deutsch:
> http://www.rubyforen.de/index.php).
> > 
> > I have asked for a RubyForge project to do Ruby implementation of
> the
> > forum software. We are thinking to do it on Rails. If anyone wants
> to
> > take part in the development, please mail me off list.
> > 
> > To everybody who already participated in this thread: thanks!
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Alexey Verkhovsky
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>