All my attempts with grid geometry and Ruby/Tk have met with failure. Does anyone have a small example they could post? Something like a change password dialog box ... some fields in a groove frame in the top window ... ________________________________________ | _____________________________________ | | | ________________ | | | | Old Password: |________________| | | | | ________________ | | | | New Password: |________________| | | | | ________________ | | | | New Password Again: |________________| | | | |____________________________________ | | |________________________________________|