Hello David, DR> Hmm.. does anyone have a MacOSX computer they can try DR> out WideStudio on? I am curious to see if it is DR> portable to the mac. DR> WideStudio has plenty of widgets btw. I just didn't DR> play enough with the wsbuilder. Okay i downloaded the 100 MB Win Installer and played a bit with wsbuilder. I must say that this toolkit can win the second price in the most ugly toolkit competition (the first is for the all time winner FLTK). And there is no theming to change this, looking at the code shows me that there will be no theming for a very long time because the drawing code is deeply buried in the source files. I'm sure that the toolkit is more flexible, just because it uses a TK like approach of managing/accessing attributes by string names. Maybe not bad but quite different. The event procedures that simple functions. So writting C++ code would require extra overhead, but it is okay for different language bindings. The documentation seems not be on the state of a 3.1 release. It describes methods but not which properties are available. There seems to be also no real tutorial for starters. I must say that i don't like FAQ like tutorials, that have a lot of "How to " titles but no integrated 10 min learn the basics code. From the technical point i don't like that the lib has no layout mangement (only Delphi like anchors), a very bad option for everybody who wants to do L10N. The implemented widgets are very very basic. As a toolkit written in Japan there are of course unicode/MBCS (?) handling routines. From the widget design it seems to be much much harder to write or adapt widgets as it is in FOX/QT. I just looked at the "WSClist.cpp" source code to find a place where i can overwrite the item draw method to use my own custom draw hook. It's not possible. But looking at the source code, hey man that code is ugly and completely comment free. Other things, radio+check buttons must always be grouped, so there seems to be also no good separation for layout/logic in the toolkit. So i think it is good that this is a dead project. Don't waste your time to try to work with this toolkit. After working about 8 years with writting GUI's i can tell you that the afford you need to bring this upto date (compared to GTK/QT/FOX) is too expensive and i really doubt that you will find so much programmers helping you. Oh yes i forgot, the WxBuilder - the GUI builder - is nothing where anybody want's to write larger dialogs. -- Best regards, emailto: scholz at scriptolutions dot com Lothar Scholz http://www.ruby-ide.com CTO Scriptolutions Ruby, PHP, Python IDE 's