Franz GEIGER wrote: # Subject: Even Tcl/Tk goes ActiveSTATE "Even Tcl/Tk ...."? Better be a bit more careful about how you talk about the people who are now in a position to invite you into their exclusive little club. :-) The least you could say is that this is potentially great news for keeping Ruby/Tk viable. # Tcl/Tk goes ActiveSTATE (see below). Shouldn't Ruby go ActiveSTATE # too? Sure (albeit cautiously so). But what would that involve in practice? Likely that they would need to hire at least one very strong low-level Ruby developer, and maybe take on Matz and the pragmatic duo as part-time consultants. And this probably means that you need to present ActiveState with a pretty strong business case to justify this. # Perl and Python are already there. Wouldn't it be a real push for # Ruby's popularity? Of course. But also recall, it was Perl and Python's *pre-existing* popularity that made them attractive to ActiveState in the first place. # And think of Komodo! An IDE for Ruby, with a visual debugger! Yup. I've previously mentioned this, but it bears repeating. # Any plans about this? Not that I know of. Want to make some? Conrad Schneiker (This note is unofficial and subject to improvement without notice.)