Hi, I just had to comment on one thing. On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Tyler Zesiger wrote: >>> The >>> hardcore hackers don't need to lose anything if Timmy The Five Year >>> Old >>> has an overlying interface to Unix that makes sense to him, so why >>> the >>> incredible opposition to user-friendliness? >> There are distributions of Linux that aim for this sort of thing. >> Maybe you >> should google for it or check it out....http://www.linuxiso.org > > I know about those. They're the exceptions to the rule. I'm > complaining about the rules, not the exceptions. Hrm. The reason I have to use the command line at times is because the GUI was created to be "User Friendly". If we attempted to make *all* unix command lines accessible to children and other inexperienced people, it would suck the power right out of it, just like the gui. I figure that GUIs are for user-friendliness, and command lines are for raw power. I don't resent the difficult time I had learning how to use the command line; I figure it's the price I paid to be able to use that power. If you aren't willing to learn it, you don't get to use it. I still say a small tool (named 'help') would be a good idea, but I don't see it as being a full fledged tutorial, just a set of quick pointers. I know that one of the first things I typed when I sat down to figure out this "Terminal" thing was 'help'. If that had pointed me to 'apropos' and 'man', I would have gotten started a lot sooner. Instead, a friend did it, and I learned it after all. If you want a super user-friendly command line, install it. But don't make me use it, I won't touch it. It's user friendly enough for me. cheers, Mark