Carl Youngblood wrote: > Because I don't want to be isolated from some of you Ruby geniuses > just because you have the privilege of access to an NNTP server and I > don't. There are tons of news servers that have public access to the news group. http://newzbot.com/search.php?q=comp.lang.ruby And, of course, Google. --- Concerning the issues at hand: This issue belongs to David and Dennis I think. I don't like hearing that the problem continues to frustrate David. Unless someone at the core of the community can offer to take the responsibility, then yeah let's give them a break. Thanks, guys, for dealing with this for so long! _why