Benny wrote: > Simon Strandgaard wrote: > > I would probably pass 'self' to the instance. > > Then a few cycles later, the instance can fetch the necessary data > > from the owner. > damned me. you're right. sometimes I'm simply blind, thanx anyway Its always ok to ask.. I am for that matter normally blind to see my own problems myself (thats why Im addicted to rubytalk). It looks like you are preparing something with a lot of subsystems. I am curious to what you are preparing ? -- Simon Strandgaard