Hi, Speaking of being able to use Ruby for a primary development language and making the point to "management". I quote: "Instead of saying that you want to use Ruby, just _use_ Ruby and show them something cool with it" Time index 01:24:51 David Heinemeier Hansson's talk on "Ruby on Rails" is downloadable from http://akira.ruc.dk/~castle/rubyonrails.mov and it is well worth the watch. He makes a very good business case for using Ruby in a web environment. This file should definately be included on the Why Ruby? project. Sascha