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On Wednesday 16 June 2004 04:45, Michal Rokos wrote:
> Isn't it time to move from CVS to Subversion|BitKeeper|arch|whatever U
> like? :) -- I mean this for ruby's CVS...

Seconded.  I've been complaining about CVS for a few months now.

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 04:50, ts wrote:
>  Well, subversion has its own problem

Yes, but CVS's pserver has always been insecure -- passwords are sent in pl=
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text.  SSH is a much better solution, but I don't know how they're going to=
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allow anonymous access to an SSH protected server.

In any case, remember that the network layer of CVS is a hack.  CVS was=20
originally meant to be used on a shared drive.

> M> It could be good for treating ChangeLog as well - we could have this
> M> automatically generated (I'm too lazy to change ChangeLog by hand...)
>
>  Only one person can take this decision : this is the person which manage
>  the ruby CVS and don't forget that this need *more, more* work for him.

There's more initial investment: he has to install a Subversion server.  In=
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the long run, it'll be easier for him, though.  Subversion requires a lot=20
less maintenance than CVS, and as a bonus will generate log files in XML ..=
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meaning that a changelog could be generated in text or HTML by XSL.

But, you're right.  Matz has to *want* to shed the shackles of CVS; Ruby is=
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looks at the advantages of migrating.  Subversion even provides a script=20
that'll convert a CVS repository to a Subversion one, maintaining the=20
history.

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