On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 04:39:29AM +0900, Neil Stevens wrote: > And the counterpoint to that, is if Ruby's standard library is light on > features, it will discourage people from even trying it. If Python and > PHP can do X, Y, Z out of the box, but you have to install other > libraries to get Ruby to do those things, it will be counted as a strike > against Ruby. IIRC one suggestion I heard a while back was to have Ruby ship with a set of standard gems. This allows packages to be upgraded apart from Ruby releases but still gives users some toys to play with out of the box. Paul