Hi -- On Tue, 27 May 2008, David Flanagan wrote: > Major kudos to Eric, by the way, for diving in and tackling the problem > rather than just complaining about it. Most of the discussion of -> occurred > before Eric's patch, however, and that discussion was (in my opinion) > inappropriate and disrespectful. I agree about Eric's efforts, but let's keep the other stuff a little less judgmental and accusatory, please. I've never been hesitant to tell Matz what I think are problematic aspects of Ruby, and he's never suggested that I stop. Matz knows that I respect him and the language; he knows that I resigned from a tenured university professorship to become a full-time Ruby practitioner and author, and he sees me steering literally hundreds of people toward best practices (I hope :-) on mailing lists, in training courses, and so on. And of course I don't just mean me. As you said in another post, Matz is the benevolent dictator, but his style has always been to discuss things and to welcome input, and until he drops the axe on this discussion (which he clearly hasn't), I don't see any reason to terminate it. Now you've got me thinking about the time at RubyConf 2003 where I told Matz that, with respect to some particular issue, we needed him to be "less benevolent and more dictator." I think it might have been something about proc/Proc/lambda.... :-) David -- Rails training from David A. Black and Ruby Power and Light: INTRO TO RAILS June 9-12 Berlin ADVANCING WITH RAILS June 16-19 Berlin INTRO TO RAILS June 23-26 London (Skills Matter) See http://www.rubypal.com for details and updates!